A little teaser to whet your appetite:
.....Yet evolutionists continue to control the scientific and education establishments, insisting that total evolution is a scientific fact and creation is religion, so only evolution can be allowed to be taught in public schools and colleges. They gloat over the alleged fact that "an unprecedented 14 percent of Americans tell pollsters that they are atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, or simply disinterested in religion."10 Even if this figure is assumed to be correct, it still leaves 86% of the population who believe in God.
And they express surprise that so many people have somehow come to believe in creation despite all the brainwashing in schools. The editor-in-chief of the premier magazine Science, recently moaned in a lead editorial that:
"Alternatives to the teaching of biological evolution are now being debated in no fewer than 40 states. Worse, evolution is not the only science under such challenge. In several school districts, geology materials are being rewritten because their dates for Earth's age are inconsistent with scripture (too old)."
A few evolutionists do seem to have at least a glimpse of why we object to their insistence that evolution be considered a scientifically proven fact. The following commentary on evolutionary science was in a recent issue of Geotimes. Evolutionists have "Physics Envy." They tell the public that the science behind evolution is the same science that sent people to the moon and cures diseases. It's not.
"The science behind evolution is not empirical, but forensic. Because evolution took place in history, its scientific investigations are after the fact—no testing, no observations, no repeatability, no falsification, nothing at all like physics. . . . I think this is what the public discerns—that evolution is just a bunch of just-so stories disguised as legitimate science."
Another evolutionist makes an interesting admission. He says: "Contrary to their public image, scientists are normal, flawed human beings." They are as capable of prejudice, covetousness, pride, deceitfulness, etc., as anyone.
Rex(Who has the B.S. repellent handy and rain gear on!)
Shining One
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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Shining One
Thanks for the input Mike and I appreciate that very much. A previous writer on another thread asked if I would call someone supporting or affirming my information a 'backslapper', since I had noted that 'itsallgoodnow' with her brief post cheering on Alan F. was doing just that. If can't see the difference between her post and this one, so be it.
I don't mind being a 'lightning rod' really but there's no way to answer every diatribe and accusation. I have to pick and choose. Few people here have the courage to go against the flow and i understand that also. I have another gem to paste here for those who are open minded enough to see both sides:
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=2464
Faith indeed is a spiritual activity and not one explained by naturalism. May God bless you and those who read (even those hurling lightning bolts, LOL) my posts!
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Alan F's flaming arguments and insults
by Rex inhi alan, .
have you ever looked at the carved up mountains, hills and valleys?????
have examined the remarkable similarity to the mount st. helen's canyon that was carved our very quickly?
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Thanks for the reminder, CD.
http://www.icr.org/pdf/rate/humphreys_to_hanke.pdf
This is an address leading to a rebuttal response from an ICR scientist. Perhaps the Great Brain and his followers could view this and answer? I don't want to waste any more bandwidth and there is no need for me to elaborate on this because I am no expert. Why is is that insults and name calling seem to be the primary tactic of those who claim to be skeptics or scholars?
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Alan F's flaming arguments and insults
by Rex inhi alan, .
have you ever looked at the carved up mountains, hills and valleys?????
have examined the remarkable similarity to the mount st. helen's canyon that was carved our very quickly?
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Alan,
What's the point of responding to insults and slander? It's a lose/lose situation.
I think I see why you insist on any real debating (off this site) with those who are your equals or better. You would not have the fans here to cheer you on and pile on. This is your home turf. The bunch here has had plenty of liberal-think to imbibe on.
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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Shining One
Terry,
As long as your research is limited to the far left theologians you will have exactly their views...
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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Shining One
>Ah, you can dismiss the Bahai and Islam with a 5" paragraph..... did a lot of serious study there eh? NOT.
You failed to note that I have investigated this faith before.
>You so desperately want to believe dear Shining One you've checked your intellect at the door.
If you think so that's fine, now look at your own reasoning and see that you are projecting your own fears onto me. You don't want to be accountable to anyone, desperately.
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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Shining One
Hey Alan,
1) Why should the debate take place here? If you are so truth bearing, factual and correct, you should be able to handle the challenge that they presented! I did not ask you for a debate on YEC. If you remember I posted on both OEC and YEC. If you do debate them then they must agree to the subject at hand. You are the one making the contention that the site lacks merit!
2) Your analogies back to JWism and such are comparing apples and oranges. You are simply confusing the issue and I don't need to answer those. New Testament writing are derived directly from O.T. law and prophecy, which is fullfilled in the life of Jesus Christ.
3) You are comparing one printing company printing its own literature during a span of a year or two for most publications. Surely, you are not comparing the dilligently copied scrolls of ages to that are you?
4) You also better research some other sources for scripture scholarship than the leftist ideologues you seem to favor. The Watchtower is famous for using them as well, selectively!!!!
You are obviously making unfair comparisons between the TEACHINGS of Christ and those of Mohammed. Compare the New Testament and the Koran. I am not going to sit down and explain that. No one has warped the teachings (out of context) of Moahmmed like many of the so callled 'follower's' of Christ have. The Islamic countries are still in barbaric mode and it is directly due to the teachings espoused (IN CONTEXT) in the Koran. Where are the Christian and Jewish homicide bombers if Judeo-Christian teachings are the same? Where are the feminists and gays actually free to be themselves?
You are no doubt referring to the crusades and many subsequent conquerings by 'Christian led countries'.
Point!!!!!!They are not Christian if they are not follwoing His commands!
The Jews were wiped out in Jerusalem by the Roman legions, not by any Christians. The Jews were also slaughtered by the millions by National Socialists who had the occult and EVOLUTIONARY theories as their reference and ethics for justifying what they did. The Christian church was always a front. The whole world was freed by Christian led armies. They rid the world of the National Socialists, the Fascists, the Communists (with the help of Pope John Paul) and they are still the beacon for fredom in this day. Yes, despite all of our 'fundys' as you call us, we do stand for freedom.
Let's now examine the world (not you) in general without CHRISTIAN VALUES:
You can see the clear results in this world today the of nihlism, natualism and lack of morality. You can see it in the idiotic condemnations of Israel and the U.S. by the spineless and godless German, French and Russians. You have the almost absolute silence or approval of the death of innocents by Islamic leaders. This has always been the case!
You see the left leaning liberal media hypocrisy that actively seeks to have American interests and efforts at leading the world to democracy undercut. You see the hypocrisy of those who support 'abortion on demand' are the most often the same ones who are 'tree huggers' and PETA animal rights advocates. Where is the sympathy for the rights of the most defensless human beings in our world? They are sacriced on the altar of feminism. Christian haters and those of their ilk are the most hypocritical people of all. Liberals in general embrace those who espouse the CORRECT POLITICAL leanings, regardless of the person's character.
The fact is that if you believe scripture or not, would you rather live in a world where people followed the lead of Christ or one where Hitler, Islamic Mullahs, Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Pol Pot, etc ad nauseum?
Do you now see my passion and why I believe Christian-bashers are leading people into nihlism and ruin: both personal and political?
People have been killed for ages in the name of religion. I am not talking about religion and mindless debates over abstract philosophy, logic or even origins! None of that is relevant in the real world outside of the ivory towers of self-described scholars. That is exactly what is engaged in here: mindless debates over useless philosophies, human logic and political correctness.
Scripture nowhere teaches us to kill in the name of God, it shows God's wrath and that is His province, not ours. You cannot justify killing on the basis of God using nations and nature to demonstrate His wrath, He is the ultimate arbiter. We have seen the Christ and He is just like Him, one with the Father.
Is promiscuity beneficial or not, look at the toll in disease and broken relationships! Has society always benefited, pagan or not, from following ethical and moral principals? Look at the root causes of the fall of Rome, the subsequent middles ages and then look at our civilization: it is on the brink! As more and more of our Judeo-Christian values are removed from scoiety, the fact is this: it becomes more and more lawless and brutal. Is any church wrong to teach moral law, especially with the proven test of history to look at? Corruption is a 'slippery slope', like it or not we cannot be totally free or society as a whole suffers.
I am talking about living a life of humilty, gentleness, compassion and love. All of that shines through scripture like a beacon of hope in this darkness. THAT is what people are undercutting. If skeptics do indeed win that battle and remove people from their faith (that's exactly what goes on here) then that person is on the road to ruin, society follows.
Do you really want to live in a world dominated by the dog eat dog philosphy of evolution? Have you seen the disintigration of ethics in corporate America? Yes, capitalism and socialism have been directly affected by the denigration of morals and ethics. The Humanist Manifesto works no better than the Communist Manifesto because God is removed. Like it or not, when fear (respect) of God evaporates society disintegrates!
We fundys (as you have labled us), we true believers, actually try to apply the Lord's teachings in our lives and encourage it from others. We have seen it work, we have been freed in a sense from sin and in doing that we reap benefits, right now, in this life. We use more of our money (we are critisized for doing fundraising) for altruistic and compassionate programs that help all peoples, not just fellow Christians, than the great majority of society.
Christianity has been proven to flourish under pesecution and society then improves toward greater freedoms. Christian nations no longer have laws that condemn or even coerce individuals for changing faiths. Fundys typically uphold the rights of the individual to make his own peace with God or not.
Am I saying that 'no huamnist can do this'? No, but look at the results in front of your face. You see it on the news every day.
I truly do pray that all of us here take time to think how our teachings and opinions are affecting others. If I must look like a fool and be laughed at by everyone here, to give one person reason to hope, so be it! I know how the story ends and regardless of whether or anyone here believes it. The darkness cannot overcome the light!
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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Shining One
From the official Bahai website:
"The report of the execution, written to Lord Palmerston, the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, by Sir Justin Shiel, Queen Victoria's Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary in Tehran on July 22, 1850, records: "When the smoke and dust cleared away after the volley, Báb was not to be seen, and the populace proclaimed that he had ascended to the skies. The balls had broken the ropes by which he was bound but he was dragged from the recess where, after some search he was discovered and shot."
One account by one source.....................and the next part bears no quotes,
After the first attempt at execution, the Báb was found back in His cell, giving final instructions to one of His followers. Earlier in the day, when the guards had come to take Him to the courtyard, the Báb had warned that no "earthly power" could silence Him until He had finished all that He had to say. When the guards arrived this second time, the Báb calmly announced: "Now you may proceed to fulfill your intention."
What happened here can be easily explained by the fact that his 'death' was obscured by smoke and we only have the one account that says he was actually shot then found in the cell again.
Again, the Báb and His young companion were brought out for execution. The Armenian troops refused to fire, and a Muslim firing squad was assembled and ordered to shoot. This time the bodies of the pair were shattered, their bones and flesh mingled into one mass. Surprisingly, their faces were untouched. The light of the "Mystic Fane," as the Báb referred to Himself, had been quenched under a dramatic set of circumstances. The last words of the Báb to the crowd were: "O wayward generation! Had you believed in Me every one of you would have followed the example of this youth, who stood in rank above most of you, and would have willingly sacrificed himself in My path. The day will come when you will have recognized Me; that day I shall have ceased to be with you."
"Later, His recognition of the religion of the Báb , which arose in 1844 in Persia and was destined to fulfil the prophecies of Islam, caused Him to be cast into prison and subsequently exiled."
Islam is founded by Mohammed of couse, who was rejected by both Judasim and Christianity as a false prophet, hence his hatred toward both groups. Mohammed never performed a miracle and had nothing to refer to in his teaching. Christ referred to the Old Testament and was the demonstrated fulfillment of so many prophecies that their is no doubt He is the messiah. The story of Bab can easily be one concocted, lacks details of the actual death of Jesus and is in no way a comparison of the tremendous evidence of the events of Calvary.
Your comparison between Jesus and the Bab is simplistic and does not hold up.
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The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)
by Shining One incheck some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.
you will immediately smell the b.s.
emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!
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Shining One
Hey Alan,
Its been years since I examined the Ba'Hai and I will do so in order to see if the analogy lines up. I just can't remember the reasons that I discounted their claims. I do know that they are a cult. One of the things you need to remember is that Christians (the ones who do take their religion seriously) are affected by the life that Christ lived (and lives today in my heart).
If you remember, Mohammed took his 'visions' to Christianity and Judasim first and was rejected, then proceeded to butcher them when he later came to power. Islam has always taught and engaged in the terrorism that we still see today. It is wholly justified by the Koran. A limited god that is taught by Islam (and yes, the WBTS) is NOT God by any means.
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The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories - Ch. 24 - The Atheist Manifesto
by RunningMan inthe atheist manifesto
before debating the existence of god, it is necessary to define him.
the god i grew up with was a pretty specific dude.
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Shining One
Runningman,
Besides setting up a host of logical traps, your reasoning accomplishes nothing: you see the design, yet you deny the possibility of a designer. That is clear and consistent in the analogies you are using. You cannot be an atheist because you would have to BE God to know that there is NO God! You are refusing to take your 'logical' reasoning to it's bitter end. The end of logic is that it is useless and insufficient to answer the origins question. It is vanity, just like the Preacher of Ecclesiates said, "all is vanity".
What you fail to see is that logic leaves you in a delimma.
Intelligent design at it's very basis admits that we do not have the knowledge or capability of explaining the ultimate question. The reality that you seek to avoid is that you can't figure God (or the 'First Cause') out! Now you reach the point where you must ask yourself: which of the explanations for origins do I want to accept, which actually makes a true attempt to explain the great philosophical questions yet has some evidence to back it up?
C. S. Lewis is an author that comes to mind. Why not read his works and see what you think? Mere Christianity, Miracles, The Great Divorce, The Screwtape Letters.
Rex